St. Peter's Church Panel 3 Close-up

St. Peter's Church Panel 3 Close-up

Stained glass panels in St. Peter's Church, Racton, Sussex - Panel 3.


Pat from Canvey's picture


When you say "the assumption of half inch leads" are you referring to border leads only used between the individual panels or are you assuming that the panels themselves were made with half inch leads throughout the interior. The interior leads are likely to be 1/4 inch leads while smaller details which are very curvey are likely to have been made with smaller leads. The door panels in my earlier posts are made with 1/4 inch round leads and the visible area is 18cm width by 102 cm height for each panel. Do you need to revise your calculations? Make sure you look at the width of each lead rather than including any cement showing on either side of a lead.

kat's picture


I was assuming that the interior leads would be 1/2 inch (the visible lead on the outside - not the core). In which case my calcs will be off obviously. 1/4 inch feels too small in my head to be plausible. Maybe that's me paying too much attention to what the 100% scale image looks like and I'm editing my memories of the real thing to fit. It's just that on my 100% image the interior leads display on my 1600x1200 resolution monitor as about 1/4 inch wide in real terms (which probably bear no relation to actual size after the conversions it's ben through after coming out the camera as a RAW file).

Helen's picture

1. Assuming that the

1. Assuming that the distance between tie-bars is approx. 15", which is about normal, the lights are about 7 feet high? It would not be sensible to make windows that size in single pieces - no traditional English studio would have made them that size with a shaped header. They would be extremely difficult to manoeuvre in to place and it is not the way that English studios work.
2. All tie-bars are the same size, but here some look thicker than others - particularly noticeable on the figues - at thigh level and below necks. That suggests the overlap of the 1/2" leads.

kat's picture

Engineer Alert!

I was intrigued by your comment as I thought that the windows were bigger than 7 feet and I thought I might be able to shed light on how they might have been made. Using the 100% size image, not the smaller image that I uploaded here, I measured various different parts of the image to see what relative sizes they might have been. I made the width of the lead to be 5-6 pixels (px). Therefore using the assumption of 1/2 inch lead and allowing some leeway as i've corrected the perspective slightly and I'm viewing from below, the different parts come out as:

Bar 1 is the horizontal bar at the top, Bar 5 is the horizontal bar at the base.

  'Panel' 3 'Panel' 4 'Panel' 5 'Panel' 6 'Panel' 7 Average Size
Bar 1 (px) 13 12 12 14 13 12.8 px or 2.3"
Bar 2 (px) 14 17 12 14 16 14.6 px or 2.6"
Bar 3 (px) 12 13 11 13 12 12.2 px or 2.2"
Bar 4 (px) 13 12 13 15 16 13.8 px or 2.5"
Bar 5 (px) 11 12 10 14 12 11.8 px or 2.1"

The height and width is roughly 1580px by 424px or 144"x 38" or 12' x 3(ish)'. You're right in that the horizontal bars at thigh and neck level look thicker.

I don't think this adds anything to help clarify how they were made but I had fun anyway.

Helen's picture

Really enjoyed seeing these

Really enjoyed looking at these pictures - do you know who did the glass? Looks like a war memorial? The quality of the pictures is excellent - so much better than one often sees on the net!
As a tiny criticism, can I point out that the term panel is for a single section of stained glass; the whole window within the frame is called a light, which can be made up of a few panels stacked on top of each other. The bottom lights look to me as if they're made up of 3 panels each, but even if they were a single piece, they would still be called a light, not a panel.
But the pictures have whetted my apetite to go and see this window - thanks for posting it up.

kat's picture

3 'lights' or 1?

Interesting. Looking at these and with my (limited) experience of stained glass I would assume that this was one ?panel? with 5 horizontal strengthening bars. Based on how the pattern breaks over the horizontal bars. Why do you think 3?